[blankster]

Note the revised 20" wheels and now its 2.3T not 2.3 Ecoboost. Also there is an Auto-hold button to the right of the Nav screen.


http://pictures.dealer.com/a/applefordlincoln/0407/0ff16ccc5b6ff1cd594f41eb08625947x.jpg

 

[20MKC15]

I like the look of those wheels and the color itself -

 

[countryguy]

What is Auto-hold?

 

[blankster]

What is Auto-hold?

https://media.lincoln.com/content/l...016/2016_Lincoln_MKX_Auto_Hold_Fact_Sheet.pdf

 

[countryguy]

Interesting but for me, all these auto features are going to make driving boring, and people are going to being relying too much on the car to do the driving for them. Who is going to be liable if auto hold fails and the car bumps the car in front - Lincoln or the driver for not having the foot on the brake?

 

[5.0 Candy REDCS]

Yeah, I looked at that link and I'm NOT impressed.....the new Mustang has an auto hold that comes on while stopped on a hill and that only comes on the manual trans....to help new drivers to a manual trans hold/without the use of the handbrake.....it auto releases when you start to move forward! that's kinda cool feature, but in this case....NO thanks, a few days later...you drive your OTHER ride (without auto hold) and BAM, you go into the car in front of you....applying a brake has worked for the last 100 years, don't fix it unless it's broken!....in my books,I know I will NEVER use that feature!

 

[5.0 Candy REDCS]

Thanks for that link blankster, I'm sort of thinking about turning my '16 MKC in for a new MKX, with only 8,000 km....depending what deal they offer....I'm really happy with my MKC, my wife would like a slightly larger rear seat/trunk area, so I'll ask some questions and see what they say....if it's favourable, I might go for it....gave this dealership PLENTY of business over the years,so I'm confident....on the same note, I've already started discussions about the new Mustang Shelby 350R with my salesman....I seriously want this ride.
526HP with equal gobs of torque lol.....possibly going for the white with a blue centre stripe....The R has rear seat delete and track pack (seats 2)....want, want, want!!!!!!

2016 Ford Mustang ShelbyGT350®R | The 2016 Ford Mustang ShelbyGT350®R | Ford.com

 

[Bruce]

Hey everybody, I believe all MKC's since their introduction (2015), have auto hold while stopped on inclines ONLY, and it works quite well. It is called "Hill Start Assist" and obviously it is designed to allow the driver to move their foot from the bike pedal to the accelerator pedal without concern for the vehicle rolling backwards. I appreciate this nice little perk!

 

[kmccart]

Yes, there is a very steep hill I use occasionally with an intersection and stoplight at the top. It used to make me a little nervous in my previous cars, but the hill holder feature in my MKC works great on it! I think the Auto-Hold feature is somewhat different, however. When I read about it, it describes using it at a stoplight, but not just on hills. It seems more like an "automatic brake" with no time limit until you hit the gas pedal.

 

[blankster]

Interesting but for me, all these auto features are going to make driving boring, and people are going to being relying too much on the car to do the driving for them. Who is going to be liable if auto hold fails and the car bumps the car in front - Lincoln or the driver for not having the foot on the brake?

These are all "baby steps" towards autonomous vehicles. Next they will probably introduce Auto-cruise with auto-stop. It is the future.

 

[5.0 Candy REDCS]

These are all "baby steps" towards autonomous vehicles. Next they will probably introduce Auto-cruise with auto-stop. It is the future.

LOL blankster, that's when I stop buying cars and go back to using bicycles.:smile....MY reality is; I like cars/suv/crossovers to "engage" me while driving....My MKC is hardly an engaging crossover....feels more like I'm at a game console playing "auto racing" LOL.

 

[5.0 Candy REDCS]

So I took a closer look at the top dog MKX today,my impressions.....definitely a MORE upscale interior over the MKC.The one I looked at comes with the Revel sound system ( really regretted my MKC did not come with it).....on the right hand side of the centre column next to the screen there is a "Hold button"....the engine start button is at the bottom rather than at the very top like on my MKC....I did not ask what year MKX I was looking at....my sales man was engaged with a couple in the process of buying a pickup truck, so I did not want to bother him...it looks like a new 2016 possibly, but I thought they relocated that stop/start button to the top, just above the P button....this is very early stage in negotiations...if I am changing my 2016 MKC for an MKX I'll be looking at the 2017...Rear passenger seats are nice and roomy with a centre arm rest between the two seats.
The cargo area is definitely larger than on the "C"...I noticed the same identical poor lighting and I was not impressed....it needs at least 2 light sources, rather than just one, it's also mounted low on the left side,which means a few bags back there and the light gets buried.
With all the appointed lighting the MKC has on the inside (and the MKX for that matter) they sure did not think the placement of the light source in the cargo area at all! terrible!
The one I looked at comes with a 3.7L engine, sounds like a V6....I'm going back tomorrow and will have a more detailed questionnaire ready for my sales man.
My mind's made up regarding the Shelby "R"....I'm sure it will be in my garage early summer.

 

[kmccart]

Candy, I don't think the start/stop button on the MKX will be relocated. It's a different set-up than on the MKC. On the MKX, it is separate from the gear selector buttons and is not as close to the screen as it was on the MKC when the C first came out & it was originally located at the bottom of the gear selector buttons. If you recall, the problem stemmed from people claiming they accidentally shut off the car when reaching for the screen.

 

[5.0 Candy REDCS]

Candy, I don't think the start/stop button on the MKX will be relocated. It's a different set-up than on the MKC. On the MKX, it is separate from the gear selector buttons and is not as close to the screen as it was on the MKC when the C first came out & it was originally located at the bottom of the gear selector buttons. If you recall, the problem stemmed from people claiming they accidentally shut off the car when reaching for the screen.

You're possibly perfectly right....I was not really that bothered with it's location,I was mostly wondering out loud if relocating it was on the books...I have to admit tho, that MKX is a good looking car with an incredibly beautiful interior,The Revel sound system is just crazy,no comparison to the stock sound system found in my MKC, not even close.....I love my C...I've not had much issues with it some odd things that were addressed by my dealer ( Holiday Ford for the win!).
We had some member(s) on here that were quite unhappy about the MKC due to some problems or "perceived problems"and I do appreciate they voiced their displeasure....but from what I had read, were directly related to an incompetent and uncaring dealer...In my case, my dealer has come through with flying colours EVERY time I needed their help...and yes, I will continue to deal with them as I have done over the years...I cannot fault them for anything but excellent service and quality care!

 

[LnkisaPOS]

You're possibly perfectly right....I was not really that bothered with it's location,I was mostly wondering out loud if relocating it was on the books...I have to admit tho, that MKX is a good looking car with an incredibly beautiful interior,The Revel sound system is just crazy,no comparison to the stock sound system found in my MKC, not even close.....I love my C...I've not had much issues with it some odd things that were addressed by my dealer ( Holiday Ford for the win!).
We had some member(s) on here that were quite unhappy about the MKC due to some problems or "perceived problems"and I do appreciate they voiced their displeasure....but from what I had read, were directly related to an incompetent and uncaring dealer...In my case, my dealer has come through with flying colours EVERY time I needed their help...and yes, I will continue to deal with them as I have done over the years...I cannot fault them for anything but excellent service and quality care!

Perceived problems? Seriously? Hardly perceived. My wife has not perceived 17 visits to the dealership. And now she has to wait 3 1/2 more weeks to be sent to another dealer now 90 minutes away for visit number 18. And her car still isn't fixed. No loaner cars available, almost over 3 weeks to get a car in to be fixed because they promise loaners in a Lincoln pledge then no dealership has any?!?! 9 months without use of a remote system, it's not perceived it's fact. And in our case it's not just the dealer, it's Lincoln directly.

Stalling by sending my wife to dealer after to dealer to start from scratch and buy more time as they re engineer the car while we pay, that's totally Lincoln.

The other guys issue with not getting a simple voucher for an oil change, that's Lincoln again.

Stringing customers along for a fix for months, that's Lincoln again.

Supporting the dealers lies, that's Lincoln too.
The dealer accused my wife (an undoubtedly told Lincoln this) was fabricating the modem problem. Then 6 months later they issued a modem recall. lincoln is fully aware of the dealer lies and looks the other way.

Concierge refusing to answer simple questions and stonewalling you. You got it, thats Lincoln again my friend.


I appreciate you want to highlight any positive but making a comment that other people's problems are just "perceived" is pretty wrong.

Did the guy whose car filled up with water and mold "perceive" that. Lincoln denied like they deny our problem. He had to get a lawyer to fight, and guess what, Lincoln later issued a tsb for that leak problem when they finally figured it out. But because they didn't know they blamed the customer. Just like they have been doing to us.

Maybe you have had good luck but take a look at other forums and Facebook pages, there seems to be quite a bit of "perceived" problems out there.

I'm glad you and others are having such a great experience but to make a comment about problems being "perceived"? Wow. You just don't get it. Not sure what else to say.

I will tell you we've never dealt with anything like this before. And until you are in one of our shoes you probably won't understand. I've been muzzling my wife for specific reasons but when she can tell her full story she looks forward to it.

Everyone should know what has been happening to us and this is from LINCOLN, they will want to double back and blame the dealer when the you know what hits the fan but everyone needs to hear the full story start to finish including how Lincoln used the dealer(s). Despicable stuff. So with anyone when my wife posts (stay tuned to Facebook pages)the story, it will be up to them to decide if this is a company they want to invest in.

If you've had a great experience and love Lincoln and your dealer by all means knock yourself out and go for the MKX, my wife wanted one too. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and to choose to but whatever they wish, great country America!( and Canada I guess too :smile)

If you want to support Lincoln and talk them up all you want be my guest, but I don't think you should post comments insinuating people are only "perceiving" their problems and they actually don't exist. I feel that pretty insensitive. I dont know, there's a lot of TSBs and recalls out there in this vehicle (2015), these aren't "perceived".

I recall another nasty thread on this forum along the same vein of accusing owners of making up their problems. Let's no go back there.

 

[2015 MSM]

Perceived problems? Seriously? Hardly perceived. My wife has not perceived 17 visits to the dealership. And now she has to wait 3 1/2 more weeks to be sent to another dealer now 90 minutes away for visit number 18. And her car still isn't fixed. No loaner cars available, almost over 3 weeks to get a car in to be fixed because they promise loaners in a Lincoln pledge then no dealership has any?!?! 9 months without use of a remote system, it's not perceived it's fact. And in our case it's not just the dealer, it's Lincoln directly.

Stalling by sending my wife to dealer after to dealer to start from scratch and buy more time as they re engineer the car while we pay, that's totally Lincoln.

The other guys issue with not getting a simple voucher for an oil change, that's Lincoln again.

Stringing customers along for a fix for months, that's Lincoln again.

Supporting the dealers lies, that's Lincoln too.
The dealer accused my wife (an undoubtedly told Lincoln this) was fabricating the modem problem. Then 6 months later they issued a modem recall. lincoln is fully aware of the dealer lies and looks the other way.

Concierge refusing to answer simple questions and stonewalling you. You got it, thats Lincoln again my friend.


I appreciate you want to highlight any positive but making a comment that other people's problems are just "perceived" is pretty wrong.

Did the guy whose car filled up with water and mold "perceive" that. Lincoln denied like they deny our problem. He had to get a lawyer to fight, and guess what, Lincoln later issued a tsb for that leak problem when they finally figured it out. But because they didn't know they blamed the customer. Just like they have been doing to us.

Maybe you have had good luck but take a look at other forums and Facebook pages, there seems to be quite a bit of "perceived" problems out there.

I'm glad you and others are having such a great experience but to make a comment about problems being "perceived"? Wow. You just don't get it. Not sure what else to say.

I will tell you we've never dealt with anything like this before. And until you are in one of our shoes you probably won't understand. I've been muzzling my wife for specific reasons but when she can tell her full story she looks forward to it.

Everyone should know what has been happening to us and this is from LINCOLN, they will want to double back and blame the dealer when the you know what hits the fan but everyone needs to hear the full story start to finish including how Lincoln used the dealer(s). Despicable stuff. So with anyone when my wife posts (stay tuned to Facebook pages)the story, it will be up to them to decide if this is a company they want to invest in.

If you've had a great experience and love Lincoln and your dealer by all means knock yourself out and go for the MKX, my wife wanted one too. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and to choose to but whatever they wish, great country America!( and Canada I guess too :smile)

If you want to support Lincoln and talk them up all you want be my guest, but I don't think you should post comments insinuating people are only "perceiving" their problems and they actually don't exist. I feel that pretty insensitive. I dont know, there's a lot of TSBs and recalls out there in this vehicle (2015), these aren't "perceived".

I recall another nasty thread on this forum along the same vein of accusing owners of making up their problems. Let's no go back there.

Don't remember seeing you mentioned by name, did I miss it? We are all well aware of your issues, I believe the only help that will satisfy you is of the legalese at this point, with all of your documented issues yours is a buyback case if I have ever heard of one.

 

[LnkisaPOS]

Don't remember seeing you mentioned by name, did I miss it? We are all well aware of your issues, I believe the only help that will satisfy you is of the legalese at this point, with all of your documented issues yours is a buyback case if I have ever heard of one.

Dude I'm not trying to start a war here but come on, that comment was made about every / or anyone having problems, anyone knows what he means. It's like "your remote access isn't REALLY broken" it's just your perception. "Your car isn't REALLY leaking" it's just your perception. LMFAO . Think how both silly and insulting that is if you are the person with the problem. :smile. Whether it's my wife, the dude with the leak, or anyone else.

You're just giving Lincoln another excuse LOL.
Now they can tell people the problems are merely their "perception" and use that as an excuse not to fix..not to mention their "illusion" of a Lincoln pledge. :grin

 

[LnkisaPOS]

with all of your documented issues yours is a buyback case if I have ever heard of one.

And just to cover this, notice Lincoln isn't jumping to buy back our vehicle. Do you get that yet?
Is that your logic that my wife is lying..." Well if Lincoln doesn't jump to buy back the vehicle then geez there must be nothing wrong" it must just be her perception right? Nothing at all to do with a company unwilling to take responsibility for their defects, never, it's all rainbows and puppies!

That's why "linkisapos", they won't admit to the problems just like they just like they wouldn't admit to "mayday" on this forum that his leak was real. If ever there was a clear buy back case that woukd have been it. But guess what, they made him get a lawyer and fight! So you think this is a "clear cut" case? Lincoln won't do anything unless they are forced. If they think they can lie, hide, and scam and get away with it, that's what they are going to do. That's what they are doing to us. You need to hear the whole story, but you'll have to wait, it's my wife's story to tell. But I'm sure when this is finally over and she can post you and others will just make more excuses or accuse her of lying right? We will see how everything turns out in the end. You still won't accept it though....

Why can't you accept Lincoln isn't perfect and treats some of their customers like garbage. Why can't you accept some of the cars have a lot of problems? It's the truth. Nothing to do with you.

 

[2015 MSM]

I am not saying anything other than if these issues are correct as you have stated, and I have NO reason not to believe you, my suggestion, or what I would do if I were you would be to contact a lemon law attorney, you have sufficient documentation for the lawyer to move forward and, from what I have read it seems like you have a solid case for a buyback. I am no longer going to comment on this going forward. I can no longer add to the usefulness on the subject. I only wish you happiness and the best of luck!

 

[LnkisaPOS]

I am not saying anything other than if these issues are correct as you have stated, and I have NO reason not to believe you, my suggestion, or what I would do if I were you would be to contact a lemon law attorney, you have sufficient documentation for the lawyer to move forward and, from what I have read it seems like you have a solid case for a buyback. I am no longer going to comment on this going forward. I can no longer add to the usefulness on the subject. I only wish you happiness and the best of luck!

Not to keep this going, I do appreciate the advice. We do know this (lawyer) but I think I've explained (my wife's) reluctance. She's just been trying or hoping the car would just be fixed and it would end. Then when that didn't happen then she hoped Lincoln might be decent and fair, plus she knows once this takes place (legal level) the car is gone (and astoundingly she still has trouble with this!) She has done everything just to try to make it work including dealing with a dealership that treated her like crap, lied to her face repeatedly, absolute disrespect. This is what angers me. It's not like we're jumping the gun on one little issue. Lincoln has been impossible to deal with too.

Just mentioning to her she needs to start looking for another car sends her into a meltdown. So I don't push her right now :smile. We still have a decent amount of time for lemon law in our state and have done a fair amount to prepare for that (documentation) but my wife keeps dragging her feet on initiating it completely. It's coming though, they will force me to act eventually if she doesn't.

You know I'm not sure if you remember another dude on here a long time ago that had long term electrical problems with his mkc. His car was in service literally for months (well beyond lemon law in his state). Lincoln would not buy back the vehicle. When he took it home after a service visit and was sitting in his car in his garage the air bag suddenly blew up in his face causing him significant injury. It was only then Lincoln jumped to buy back the car, suddenly the hero, yeah right...only because he could have seriously sued their a$$. This type of attitude and behavior is widely disappointing.

Sad - we were Lincoln fans too remember, they are doing it to themselves though. It's their choice to treat customers this way (and ignore dealer issues) and they will reap the consequences eventually. You are right it's not all customers and some are very happy. That's one of the problems with Lincoln (the wide disparity / inconsistency in experiences).

My wife wished it could have been another way but it is what it is for us unfortunately. :frown.