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Lincoln MKC sold only 1558 MKC in USA in Febuary . That put them at 8th place in Small luxury SUV segment .
Acura RDX 3862
Infinity QX50 3649
BMW X3 3124
Lexus NX 2666
Audi Q5 2493
Volvo XC60 1954
Mercedes GLK 1781
LINCOLN MKC :crying 1558

Lincoln MKC Sales Figures - GOOD CAR BAD CAR

Should be great discount for April incentives to get rid of the 2015 MKC before the 2016 with sync 3 comes out and fix a lot of the 2015 problems .
 

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Not ideal but nothing to be too worried about. Car sales for February are probably down due to the terrible winter weather that we have had in NA. Still, the MKC could have sold a bit better. I wonder if there is anything specific that is getting in the way of the MKC's success.
 

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I see no problem here at all with all the near and record snow falls and frigid temps, the coldest February on record in the Mid West and North East. January and February are the slowest months of the year, especially for luxury brands. Their sales do not really kick in till summer.

For total US and CAN sales the MKC was down 1.9%. The NX was down 8.5%. From January.

Lincoln down 7.6%, Cadillac was down 12.6%. Both have out going models and sell way more in the north.

I don't understand a fix of problems, because we do not experience any these so called problems. I've had plenty poor quality new vehicles through the years, so far these two rank in at the top of my best ones.
 

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I see no problem here at all with all the near and record snow falls and frigid temps, the coldest February on record in the Mid West and North East. January and February are the slowest months of the year, especially for luxury brands. Their sales do not really kick in till summer.

For total US and CAN sales the MKC was down 1.9%. The NX was down 8.5%. From January.

Lincoln down 7.6%, Cadillac was down 12.6%. Both have out going models and sell way more in the north.

I don't understand a fix of problems, because we do not experience any these so called problems. I've had plenty poor quality new vehicles through the years, so far these two rank in at the top of my best ones.
I am just pointing out the the MKC sold the least amount of vehicles last month out of the big 8 luxury brands. So not gaining any ground, in last now since Volvo pulled ahead . Weather was the same for all brands in Febuary.
 

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My dealer has at least 20 sitting on their lot
 

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My dealer has at least 20 sitting on their lot
My dealer has 26 sitting on there lot. Been following there website for about 5 months. Seems they cannot sell them. When I go back to dealer in couple months to order a 2016 MKC if I do not get 2016 RDX . Lincoln will probably give me $7000 to $8000 off old 2015 MKC Reserve on there lot. Will be tuff decision what to buy 2015 or 2016

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Not ideal but nothing to be too worried about. Car sales for February are probably down due to the terrible winter weather that we have had in NA. Still, the MKC could have sold a bit better. I wonder if there is anything specific that is getting in the way of the MKC's success.
^ Terrible winter weather would have impacted sales of all brands, not just Lincoln.
Sales of the MKC were down in January, and down even worse in February. In my opinion one of the principle issues that negatively affects sales of the MKC is rear seat legroom and overly challenging rear seat entry & exit. The size of the rear doors (and similarly the 'aperture' for an opened rear door) is excessively small for even average size adult feet. On inspection of the MKC this aspect encourages people to look elsewhere (to other car brands in the same segment) for adequate rear seat room and access. This is exactly what occurred in my/our case.
IMO - Lincoln really have to come up with sliding rear seats on the 2016 MKC, which would work to increase both rear seat legroom and rear seat access. They really need (needed from Day 1) to copy the Audi Q5 in this regard. It's unfortunate Lincoln didn't design the MKC to be 2-3 inches longer - but of course it is what it is. This is why they need to address the rear seat, and make it fore-aft adjustable.
 

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^^ I agree with entry/exit of the rear seat bring very tight. It was a factor that I thought about for a quick minute. Then I came to the realization that I'll never sit in the back seat making it a non-issue for me. :grin If I had a family then it would definitely be an issue and having me look at other vehicles in the market. Surprisingly, the NX rear seat enter/exit was not a problem. The shark noise on the other hand was s major problem that had me swimming away. :devil
 

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^^ I agree with entry/exit of the rear seat bring very tight. It was a factor that I thought about for a quick minute. Then I came to the realization that I'll never sit in the back seat making it a non-issue for me. :grin If I had a family then it would definitely be an issue and having me look at other vehicles in the market. Surprisingly, the NX rear seat enter/exit was not a problem. The shark noise on the other hand was s major problem that had me swimming away. :devil
^^ Well, I/we (my wife and I) also never sit in the back seat, and we don't have children - but we quite often have friends & acquaintances sitting in the rear seats, and we'd prefer not to have to make excuses for entry/exit issues and insufficient (borderline at best) rear seat legroom on a ~$50K luxury crossover vehicle.
I suppose it all comes down to how the individual buyer utilizes his or her own vehicle, and what importance he/she places on rear seat space and access.

Lincoln management has to be concerned right now about the significant drop in MKC sales over the past couple of months as compared to segment competitor vehicles.
 

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Also looking at the MKC sales history ever since sales initially kicked off and how it progressed from then till now, its not entirely bad. How sales progress through 2015 will be a good thing to keep an eye on.
 

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Some here may live in a rural area, small town or an area that does not care for Lincoln's in general, I get that.

My Dealership is third largest in our area and has 128, second largest has 162. Number one here is also Lincoln's largest Dealership in the World for 17 years now and has 199 MKC's out of their 975 new Lincoln vehicles in stock.

Eight dealerships have a total 912 MKC's in stock or in transit and that is a good 20% lower than their Autumn inventories. 3,998 total Lincoln vehicles in stock today. Seven locations are stand alone dealer stores.

South East Metro Michigan Dealerships:
Lexus has 2.
Acura has 3.
Audi has 3.
BMW has 3.
Jaguar has 3.
Land Rover has 3.
Nissan has 4.
Mercedes Benz has 4.
Kia has 5.
Hyundai has 6.

All the above 36 Dealerships together including their 2014's barely have the vehicles in stock that Lincoln has here, because those brands don't sell well here like they do in the South and West.. Get that?

Volkswagen has 6.
Lincoln has 8
Cadillac has 9.
Toyota has 9.
Honda has 10.
Buick GMC has 10.
Chrysler Jeep Dodge Ram has 24.
Chevrolet has 25.
Ford has 30.

No one buys in the winter here unless they have no choice. Especially a Luxury vehicle just to drive in the fresh almost daily salt! Get it?

So Lincoln sold 33 less, US and CAN in February and that is a cause for concern? They did very good considering all and they had no 2014 models to try and move out as most others did do. And still have to get rid of.

Comment on a sliding rear seat at present dimensions really makes no sense at all. I want to be 6 tall, 220 pounds of muscle and twenty years younger. Not going to happen. I do agree on 2-3 longer being ideal in this case, although a lot of other things must change also for that to ever happen, therefore may not all go to back seat anyway. Need a bigger back seat, simply buy a bigger vehicle like the coming MKX.

A few of the best arm chair quarter backs should get together and bring their own engineered vehicle to market for us to fully enjoy or pick apart. Just saying building within limits is not easy.
 

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^ Terrible winter weather would have impacted sales of all brands, not just Lincoln.
Sales of the MKC were down in January, and down even worse in February. In my opinion one of the principle issues that negatively affects sales of the MKC is rear seat legroom and overly challenging rear seat entry & exit. The size of the rear doors (and similarly the 'aperture' for an opened rear door) is excessively small for even average size adult feet. On inspection of the MKC this aspect encourages people to look elsewhere (to other car brands in the same segment) for adequate rear seat room and access. This is exactly what occurred in my/our case.
IMO - Lincoln really have to come up with sliding rear seats on the 2016 MKC, which would work to increase both rear seat legroom and rear seat access. They really need (needed from Day 1) to copy the Audi Q5 in this regard. It's unfortunate Lincoln didn't design the MKC to be 2-3 inches longer - but of course it is what it is. This is why they need to address the rear seat, and make it fore-aft adjustable.
You would like the MKC to be 2-3 inches longer like the RDX .
2015 Acura RDX | Compare Vehicles - Results | Acura.com

RDX has more rear legroom. The new updated 2016 RDX is on my radar . Prices coming out soon and hit dealer lot late April I been told.
 

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The MKC has Escape/Euro proportions - meaning smaller/tighter.
Those wanting more overall space should look at the MKX.
Two vehicles for different needs.
Am actually quite pleased I am driving a unique car, have seen just a handful in six months. BMW, MB, Audi are so common... who wants that?
 

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The MKC has Escape/Euro proportions - meaning smaller/tighter.
Those wanting more overall space should look at the MKX.
Two vehicles for different needs.
Am actually quite pleased I am driving a unique car, have seen just a handful in six months. BMW, MB, Audi are so common... who wants that?
^ Vimish, you and LINC must really be sipping on that Lincoln goon juice! Heaven forbid anyone that criticizes the almighty MKC or the Lincoln brand!
We know very well that you like your MKC, but why not offer your take on why national MKC sales are slipping quite badly against segment competitors? I'm not buying the local winter weather argument or talk of regional sales stats and strategies. GoodCarBadCar's automotive sales stats are derived from national sales figures.

The MKC indeed has Escape proportions (178-179 inches in length for both, respectively) because Lincoln based the MKC entirely on the Escape platform. In the design phase of the MKC Lincoln could have added some additional length to the vehicle, but unfortunately chose not to, probably for reasons of cost. At a slightly increased length of 182 inches the MKC would have been much better equipped to do battle against its principle competitors in the specific segment.
LINC's comment about the challenges of "building within limits" is kind of humorous/ironic, because it is Lincoln themselves who imposed their own limit by applying a 'copy/paste' of the Escape's smallish proportions to the MKC. Who said they had to do that?

There are many folks (myself included) who want/need more rear seat room and good access, but want it in a vehicle size that is within the "small SUV" size segment. Some competitor vehicles to the MKC do a better job with this (rear seat aspects) compared to what Lincoln has done. Midsize vehicles such as the MKX (which for 2016 will be 190 inches in length) are too long and too large overall for some people's wants and needs.

As much as I like the MKC (I almost bought one several months ago), I would guess some of the main reasons for those passing on it and buying a competitor vehicle in the segment are:
-- Rear seat legroom and entry/exit issues
-- Lack of certain rear seat features, such as fore-aft slide and cargo area release levers for rear seatbacks
-- Unconventional "mid-air" lower center stack design (gives the impression of being "incomplete")
-- Unconventional center stack mounted transmission controls
-- Unease with the Lincoln brand

It will be interesting going forward to see how MKC sales pan out.
 

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rbreese and JefffromNH:

I really don't think you'll out to buy anything.

It is very true your can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink.

Good car bad car year sales history shows you are wrong on January and February sales as they most all drop from December, the media says you are wrong on weather and a brands sales regions in winter.

You cannot fit a size 12 foot in a size 10 shoe and expect to be comfortable when you know you wear a 12. Lincoln widened the platform by one inch at a huge cost. And the following will prove you wrong on simply adding 2-3 inches to length.

Great comparison for backing my seating commenting:

Lincoln MKC, 179.2, w/b 105.9, 73.3, ht 65.2 leg room is 42.8/36.8 p/vol 97.9, cargo b/2r 25.2

fuel cap15.5 gal. I-4 2.3 [email protected]/[email protected],750

Acura RDX, 183.5, w/b105.7, 73.7, ht 66.1, leg room is 42.0/38.3, p/vol 103.5, cargo b/2r 26.1,

fuel cap16 gal. V-6 3.5 [email protected],200/[email protected],500

RDX is 4.3 inches longer, wheel base .2 shorter. Seating you lose .8 in front and gain 1.7 in rear, a net gain of .9 inches for leg room.

Lexus NX, 182.3, w/b 104.7 leg room is 42.8/36.1, cargo b/2r 17.7 fuel cap 15.9 gal I-4 2.0 235hp/258tq

NX is 3.1 inches longer, wheel base is 1.2 shorter, rear leg room is .7 shorter.

I'm sure you will both will deny these facts also. It's way pasted time for your radar updating. Criticism is fine, failing to Man up when stats and facts prove one incorrect is another story. I cannot help with that.

At the very least you keep the site a little interesting and I get the true facts out there in the end. Hopefully one day you can add the 6-7 inch extra length's cost for an MKX or the like, to get what your really looking for, which is a MID SIZE not a small.
 

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^^ WHAT?????? :eek:

Hey LINK.. so how much are Lincoln/Ford paying you anyway?
Suggest you take a chill pill. It's a forum where we voice opinions, and not everyone has to be a fanboy here.
Myself I will in fact be buying a new 2016 small luxury CUV by sometime in June (once all the 2016 model-year details are known), but go ahead and believe what you want to believe.
 

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With a name " LINC" he or she must work for Lincoln . :devil
I am really buying a new SUV in couple months after all the snow and salt melts away here in New Hampshire. I am waiting for the 2016 MKC information to be sent out any time now. My 4 choices are a 2016 MKC reserve or 2016 RDX with Advance package , or 2015 Ford Edge Sport or last but lease a leftover 2015 MKC if I get huge discount to take one of the 25 units they have sitting on there lot instead of ordering a 2016 MKC .
 

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rebreeze and JefffromNH:

Now, now, you both know we can't talk compensation on the forums.

rebreeze, which local London Mall is your favorite? Which Mall do you like in SE Michigan? How was the Toronto Auto Show?

Guys, I didn't realize untill I just checked Dealerships brands in your repective areas, I understand now why your so up tight. There is really like not much of anything where you live especially Lincoln's on lots to look at and make a choice. No wonder you do not see them on the roads. I didn't mean to be boasting of 912 MKC's in stock here. I'm so used to large dealerships with big inventories. But, I tell you when the economy was bad and stock was like one third of today, I was quite disappointed in not seeing a vehicle in stock as I would want to purchase. I really hope you both find something your really happy with, but I fear you will need to order whatever brand you chose. I have only ordered three vehicles, all the rest I located in a dealers stock.

Now Jeff are you lowering your standards to save a few dollars? You know not to purchase the first year, it's been posted here a few times!
 

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I will probably NOT get the 2015 MKC even it it $8000 off MSRP unless the sync 3 not in 2016 MKC then I would have to think about it. Let see how the 2016 RDX pricing with VENTERLATED Seats in Advantage package compares to MKC reserve package. Pricing should be out soon on the RDX .
 
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