So basically anyone ordering a 2.0 is getting an outdated engine?!? This is insane. I might want to cancel my order. This is a huge mistake for Ford. They should have put it in the MKC.
Ford to replace 2.0L EcoBoost engine after just 4 model years (source: AutoNews.com)
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Ford to replace 2.0-liter EcoBoost engine after just 4 model years
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Automotive News
June 24, 2014 - 6:00 pm ET
In an unusual move, Ford Motor Co. is phasing out its current 2.0-liter EcoBoost engine after just four model years.
Ford said today it is replacing the engine with a new 2.0-liter EcoBoost four-cylinder early next year beginning with the redesigned 2015 Edge. The current engine, which debuted in the 2011 Edge, will be gradually replaced in other vehicles.
The last engine in a Ford vehicle with such a short life was the 3.9-liter V-8 in the retro-styled 2002-05 Thunderbird.
Most engines have a life span of at least 10 years.
Scott Makowski, chief engineer for Ford’s large inline four-cylinder engines, said rapid improvements in engine technology led to the demise of the current 2.0, which has the highest production of Ford’s EcoBoost engine family.
The current 2.0 is offered in at least a dozen vehicles globally, such as Fusion, Focus ST, Edge, Escape, Explorer, Taurus, Lincoln MKZ and MKC in the North America, the Ford Falcon in Australia, and European cars such as the Mondeo and S-Max people mover.
The new 2.0 shares almost no parts with the current engine. It will deliver a better combination of fuel economy and power, Makowski said.
EcoBoost engines -- which feature direct fuel injection, turbocharging and variable cam timing -- have been criticized for delivering either power or fuel economy, but not both, in larger vehicles such as the Explorer and Edge.
Makowski said the new 2.0 has a new block, redesigned cylinder head, Borg-Warner twin scroll turbocharger, revised fuel injectors and higher compression ratio. It weighs about 10 pounds less than the current engine.
The new head has three exhaust ports routed into a manifold that channels exhaust gas pulses from cylinders 2 and 3, and 1 and 4, separately into each scroll of the turbocharger. This reduces the time needed for the turbocharger to reach full speed. The result, Makowski said, is a more responsive vehicle.
Ford officials would not comment on the new 2.0’s power output, which will be rated higher than the current engine’s 240 hp and 270 pounds-feet of torque. “We don’t go backwards,” Makowski said.
The 2.0-liter EcoBoost is part of a three-engine North American lineup for the redesigned Edge. The Edge Sport will also be available with an EcoBoost engine, the new 2.7-liter V-6 that will debut this fall in the redesigned aluminum-bodied F-150, and a nonturbo 3.5-liter V-6. European versions will be offered with a diesel engine.
All engines will be combined with six-speed automatic transmissions. The new 2.0 will be available with all-wheel drive, which was not offered with the current 2.0.
Makowski said the new engine makes that powertrain combination possible because the new engine has a broader torque curve.
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Article states the departing 2.0 is the same as in the MKC, but near the end of the article it states it is not offered today as AWD...but it is in the MKC. So now what do we think? Wonder if the 2.3 is like the new 2.0, or like the old 2.0. Anybody have any input on that?
I'm wondering the same because I would consider reordering a 2.3. The 2.3 is going into the new Mustang so I can't imagine that the 2.3 will also be replaced. That would make the Mustang dead on arrival too. I think the 2.3 is safe.Article states the departing 2.0 is the same as in the MKC, but near the end of the article it states it is not offered today as AWD...but it is in the MKC. So now what do we think? Wonder if the 2.3 is like the new 2.0, or like the old 2.0. Anybody have any input on that?
no the 2.3 is completely brand new. I wouldn't be surprised if the new 2.0 is just a variation of the 2.3
It makes sense that this engine is being killed to be completely honest. It was one of their inaugural Ecoboost engines and the program has matured in leaps and bounds since, I'm all for the advancement. Plus hopefully we see ford address the binary nature of the engines. Its either Eco or Boost not much middle ground
It makes sense that this engine is being killed to be completely honest. It was one of their inaugural Ecoboost engines and the program has matured in leaps and bounds since, I'm all for the advancement. Plus hopefully we see ford address the binary nature of the engines. Its either Eco or Boost not much middle ground
So I ordered a 2.0 and I'm really torn right now. I would appreciate any advice I can get on what the expected differences are going to be between the current and new 2.0. I feel like I'm buying an subpar product right now and it's going to be here within the week. Don't know what to do.
I test drove a 2.0 FWD about 3 weeks ago...was quick, smooth and didn't notice any upgrade requirements. Basically need instruments to measure the difference, I bet. When it comes in, test drive it, and make your decision based on that experience. We are all exposed to "the next improvement." Also depends how long you think you plan to keep it, and if you want to pay more and reorder a 2.3...but would be AWD to handle the 2.3 additional power. Bet the actual gas mileage isn't very different, 2.3 vs 2.0, assuming you stay off it.So I ordered a 2.0 and I'm really torn right now. I would appreciate any advice I can get on what the expected differences are going to be between the current and new 2.0. I feel like I'm buying an subpar product right now and it's going to be here within the week. Don't know what to do.
Oddly enough, under x plan pricing, the 2.3 comes out only $400 more than my 2.0. I do mostly highway so I wonder about the 3 mile differential on that side. I would hate to go back through this order process again. I haven't driven the 2.0 yet, only the 2.3, so I will reserve judgment until then.
Obviously the 2.0 has been offered with AWD in the Escape and Fusion, too. I think what they meant was the current 2.0 isn't offered in the Edge or Explorer with AWD. That will change when the next gen Edge is released with the new 2.0 early next year.Article states the departing 2.0 is the same as in the MKC, but near the end of the article it states it is not offered today as AWD...but it is in the MKC. So now what do we think? Wonder if the 2.3 is like the new 2.0, or like the old 2.0. Anybody have any input on that?
If I order one it won't be with the 2.0 now. Ford should not offer it on the MKC if it's being phased out.
I will have questions for the dealer for sure.
I will have questions for the dealer for sure.
I've talked to both my dealer and the concierge and they both are standing behind the current engine. Dealer is saying that I'm overreacting and improvements are normal and not hardly noticeable. I still haven't made up my mind. I don't want the 2.3 and the MKC blows everything else out of the water. Time is ticking for me...
Oh I have no doubt in the current 2.0 engine its just knowing that a brand new design 40+K vehicle will have "new engine" next yearI've talked to both my dealer and the concierge and they both are standing behind the current engine. Dealer is saying that I'm overreacting and improvements are normal and not hardly noticeable. I still haven't made up my mind. I don't want the 2.3 and the MKC blows everything else out of the water. Time is ticking for me...
Article states the departing 2.0 is the same as in the MKC, but near the end of the article it states it is not offered today as AWD...but it is in the MKC. So now what do we think? Wonder if the 2.3 is like the new 2.0, or like the old 2.0. Anybody have any input on that?
I'm wondering the same because I would consider reordering a 2.3. The 2.3 is going into the new Mustang so I can't imagine that the 2.3 will also be replaced. That would make the Mustang dead on arrival too. I think the 2.3 is safe.
no the 2.3 is completely brand new. I wouldn't be surprised if the new 2.0 is just a variation of the 2.3
It makes sense that this engine is being killed to be completely honest. It was one of their inaugural Ecoboost engines and the program has matured in leaps and bounds since, I'm all for the advancement. Plus hopefully we see ford address the binary nature of the engines. Its either Eco or Boost not much middle ground
I test drove a 2.0 FWD about 3 weeks ago...was quick, smooth and didn't notice any upgrade requirements. Basically need instruments to measure the difference, I bet. When it comes in, test drive it, and make your decision based on that experience. We are all exposed to "the next improvement." Also depends how long you think you plan to keep it, and if you want to pay more and reorder a 2.3...but would be AWD to handle the 2.3 additional power. Bet the actual gas mileage isn't very different, 2.3 vs 2.0, assuming you stay off it.
The new 2.3L Ecoboost is based on the current 2.0L Ecoboost. I don't think the fact that Ford is updating the Ecoboost engines is cause for this amount of handwringing.Oddly enough, under x plan pricing, the 2.3 comes out only $400 more than my 2.0. I do mostly highway so I wonder about the 3 mile differential on that side. I would hate to go back through this order process again. I haven't driven the 2.0 yet, only the 2.3, so I will reserve judgment until then.
If you get a car with the current engines, it isn't like they will suddenly stop working or the car will depreciate massively when the new engines arrive.
What I do expect is a hefty increase in efficiency. BMW kicks Fords butt in the development of DI turbocharged engines and Ford knows it. That being said, Ford owners didn't have to suffer through the rash of fuel pump failures and injectors clogging like with the early BMW attempts.
I'm sure Ford would have offered the new 2.0 in the MKC if the engine was ready. Development takes time, and there are lots of test miles to be logged. At least you're getting a proven engine with the current 2.0. Logic dictates that the 2.3 is more likely to suffer from potential problems during the rollout.This is insane. I might want to cancel my order. This is a huge mistake for Ford. They should have put it in the MKC.
Simple fix,just get the 2.3 engineSo basically anyone ordering a 2.0 is getting an outdated engine?!? This is insane. I might want to cancel my order. This is a huge mistake for Ford. They should have put it in the MKC.
curious why you DON'T want the 2.3?I've talked to both my dealer and the concierge and they both are standing behind the current engine. Dealer is saying that I'm overreacting and improvements are normal and not hardly noticeable. I still haven't made up my mind. I don't want the 2.3 and the MKC blows everything else out of the water. Time is ticking for me...
I didn't want to sacrifice any more gas mileage and I didn't think it was worth the cost for the handling (in florida) and the horsepower.curious why you DON'T want the 2.3?
I almost think the 2.0 will be worse on fuel, of course depending on how you drive. The smaller motor will require more lugging at speed and work harder to get up to speed. I've always felt the best way to fuel efficency is to hit the nail with a sledgehammer, not styrofoam.I didn't want to sacrifice any more gas mileage and I didn't think it was worth the cost for the handling (in florida) and the horsepower.
I'm not saying the 2.0 is styrofoam, but I'm saying smaller engines work harder in heavier cars. I remember having an Escape with the 2.0, it was ok, not bad but it did work a little harder than i expected. With the MKC adding heft I just figured the 2.0 was going to be in even worse shape...
I'm Waiting
"The new 2.0 shares almost no parts with the current engine. It will deliver a better combination of fuel economy and power, Makowski said."
Read the article...the new 2.0 is a new engine. Shares no parts with the former 2.0 and has a improved turbo system and oiling lubrication.
When I was at the Lincoln dealer last week, the salesman had no clue of what I was asking about....didn't even know what the twin scroll turbo charger was.
I doubt the early production 2016 MKCs have the new engine in.
I'll wait.
"The new 2.0 shares almost no parts with the current engine. It will deliver a better combination of fuel economy and power, Makowski said."
Read the article...the new 2.0 is a new engine. Shares no parts with the former 2.0 and has a improved turbo system and oiling lubrication.
When I was at the Lincoln dealer last week, the salesman had no clue of what I was asking about....didn't even know what the twin scroll turbo charger was.
I doubt the early production 2016 MKCs have the new engine in.
I'll wait.
Do you think, or have you heard anything, later models of the 2016 will have the new engine?
I plan to order a 2016, and the new engine, along with Sync 3, was what I was waiting for.
I plan to order a 2016, and the new engine, along with Sync 3, was what I was waiting for.
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