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In our MKC's we have what Lincoln calls Signature Lighting which is a curvy LED light adjacent to the HID headlights...not to be confused with the LED Daytime Running Lights in the bottom bumper. The LED DRL's are very bright (as LED's should be), but I have always felt that the LED Signature Lighting wasn't very bright at all, and during the daytime it's effect easily gets washed out - especially when it's a sunny day. At night when it is the only light turned on as you approach the car as part of the Welcome Mat experience, the Signature Lighting looks nice and bright - but that's because it's dark outside.


I just saw my first new MKX and the front lighting set-up is almost identical to the MKC except their Signature Lighting (same curvy design) is much brighter (like LED's should be) then my MKC and is VERY noticeable. Now I'm starting to wonder if there is something wrong with my Signature Lighting? I'd appreciate some feedback on your signature lighting brightness & how you think it looks during the day, especially when the brightness is compared to the DRL's.
 

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I have always thought the same.. wishing the light pipe at the base of the headlamp lens was brighter. And yes... when I had my MKX... again... agreed... much brighter.

But I don't think there is anything wrong. I believer the MKC to truly have what Ford considers a "Light Pipe" vs. the MKX has an active LED array. If you notice when you start the MKX.. that "accent lighting" actually transitions from inside to outer edge as it lights... kind of a motion deal. It can only do this because of the LED array inside the tube/pipe/chamber or whatever you want to refer to that accent channel of light. If you look at the 2012-2014 Edges they have a lame little Light Pipe in place of where a proper fog light should be. One of the mods us Edge guys did with those light pipes was to rip them out and replace them with a LED string.... and a guy actually started producing a great plug and play replacement for the Edge Light Pipe... these were so bright they would about light up the whole road.

Anyway.. I just posted a couple of videos where I was testing some LED turn signal bulbs in another post. The second video I adjusted the white balance way down while I the headlamps turned on. You can clearly see my 2016 "Accent Lights" in the video. Compare them to yours.. I would bet they are the same.

Here is the video:
https://youtu.be/ZgvK8TaM-64
 

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Also.. not that I am jones-ing to bake and rip open my brand new headlamp housings just yet.. but this is a great idea for a headlight mod. Bake the housings.. remove the back (open them up) rip out that stupid light pipe and replace with a string of bright LEDs. Heck while in there.. put a block of LEDs in the turn signal area... preferably switchbacks that you could power with the DRLs.

I had a 2010 F-250 Diesel Crew for a while.. the headlamps were abominably horrible... this was a very popular mod, to bake the housings, open them up and replace the halogen assembly with HID projectors. Many guys would add LED DRL strings in there and paint the reflector and housing area black... since with projectors the reflector was no longer needed.

Hmmmm... now you have me thinking. ;)
 

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LOL... yes its late, I am bored. You made me go out and take a closer look. While I would still maybe call it a light pipe, its different then the Edge. The Edge is a optical pipe with one LED at one end. On my MKC I can clearly see where there are multiple LED behind that lens. Now again.. not like the very closely spaced arrangement in the MKX active array... but certianly more than I thought would be in there.

I took some pics and video. Had to start the car, put a bright light over the sunlight sensor with the headlamps in auto mode. This killed the lamps in my dark garage and lit the accent lights, as you would normally have during the day. Of course my DRLs are not lit, because it was not in drive.

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Yes, was just going to ask about the MKX LEDs... My 6 year old car obsessed son walked up to a MKX in the dealer lot and remarked about how different the headlights were...after he pointed it out I noticed more LEDs in the array or at least they stand out more.
 

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Yes, was just going to ask about the MKX LEDs... My 6 year old car obsessed son walked up to a MKX in the dealer lot and remarked about how different the headlights were...after he pointed it out I noticed more LEDs in the array or at least they stand out more.
Well keep in mind we are talking about the accent lighting pipe UNDER the lamps just at the very bottom of the housing.

The MKX will have one of two headlight assemblies. One with standard adaptive HIDs and the $4400 LED/Revell option that replaces the HID projectors with the LED segments. I believe both options maintain the same accent lighting strip (not completely positive).

It's this accent strip under the lamp that is very cool on the MKX, like its a 50 or more closely spaced LEDs kind of like: |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| and based on the way they illuminate when you start the car... they have individual control as they kind of do a wave deal when firing up. Our MKX does have LEDs in that accent area... but maybe like 8-10 of them probably an inch or so apart from each other.

5 Seconds into the video below you can see how the look on the MKX:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQyY259zJvQ
 

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yes, I'm pretty sure that's what he noticed and compared to my MKC.
Cool, love they way they light up.

You're not supposed to be saying anything good about the MKX to me :)
 

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yes, I'm pretty sure that's what he noticed and compared to my MKC.
Cool, love they way they light up.

You're not supposed to be saying anything good about the MKX to me :)
LOL... well then how about, I heard a rumour there is another recall, for those fancy non-adaptive, adaptive headlamps" They claim they don't work right cause of all the LEDs in the accent strip is overheating the whole assembly.

Seriously though... I did see that there is an official recall now for the MKX much like the Edge for the A Pillar warping issues. And I love it, the dealer is instructed to collect your vehicle.. THEN order the parts... geesh... that a great way to deal with it. Booooo
 

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I like the "non-adaptive - adaptive" headlight description :) That's better...
And ripping apart your brand new interior and headliner for an a-pillar that molding that can leak..no thanks,,already have a chopped up MKC LOL.
God what a shame, seriously.
Looking like we may have to push back our date to even 2019 at this point!
 

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Wow, I do enjoy the banter in both of your back and forth posts :) I agree with all that has been written, and although I commend Rayo for taking the time to post the video and photo's, the one inside his garage makes it look quite bright...like mine is, because it was taken in a dark environment. Where I am at odds with Lincoln is how it is not very vivid when the car is in daylight. So Rayo, if you are up to taking the same kind of photo's or videos in daylight I think you'll see a huge difference. It doesn't have to be a sunny day, but just not a very overcast day. Up close they may still seem bright, but as your distance from the car increases, the Signature lights starts to get lost in it's ability to be very visible. If you look closely at the signature light pipe, you'll notice that it is housed in a frosted enclosure while the DRL's are in a clear lens enclosure. I think that's what makes the DRL's much brighter then the Signatures. I'm no engineer, and am a first time Ford buyer, so what do I know? But my common sense tells me that both sets of light probably have similar size/wattage LED's, but it's the frosted glass enclosure that greatly cuts down on the light emitted by the Signature. Rayo, Moretti, your turn :)
 

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I love all of Rayo's mod ideas but am too much of a baby to potentially harm my MKC by taking it apart. It's been through enough already the poor thing. :) I will live with it for now but am way jealous of those individually fired led arrays, love the wave effect.

Rayo I want my Lincoln symbol to light up and glow (like the MB GLA option to light up the front hood symbol, totally steal their idea) like the continentals. Help me out with that.

And tie it into the welcome/approach lighting...one up on the MB
 

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Up close they may still seem bright, but as your distance from the car increases, the Signature lights starts to get lost in it's ability to be very visible. But my common sense tells me that both sets of light probably have similar size/wattage LED's, but it's the frosted glass enclosure that greatly cuts down on the light emitted by the Signature. Rayo, Moretti, your turn :)
Ohh don't get me wrong... I knew they looked bright in my dark garage. Maybe I mislead my impressions. I AGREE that they are way to dim. Yes, outside in the sun, they are barely visible. And I also agree that the frosted, rippled lens certainly defracts much of the output from the LEDs. Lincoln should have put many more LEDs behind there and left the frosting off. Then we would be able to see them in Daylight. I know they gave us the DRLs down lower... but I would much prefer the accent light to be as bright as the DRLs... matching what Lexus and others are doing below the Headlamp.
 

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Yes, it stands out for more contrast (being brighter, not muted by the frosting). I never see an MKC in the dark coming up behind me to get a true sense of how it looks.
 

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Rayo, couldn't have said it better! I'm glad that I'm not the only one that notices these "little things". I bring my wife out to confirm what my eyes are seeing and she just doesn't get it...she thinks I'm crazy. Why is it that it's obvious to us that the frosted covers are detrimental to the LED's, hence the overall looks of the front of the car, and Lincolns engineers just don't get it?


I want my car to be perfect and (on a tangent now - sorry) I practically achieved that with a 1999 Acura TL that I had for 13 flawless years. 1999 was that models launch year as well - it was the first time on the market and I got one that was made about 3 months after launch, and it was made in Ohio, not Japan. Acura/Honda is a very good company and this proves that an all new product can be reliable right out the gate. I do not remember any recalls or tsb's, but if there were, they may not have included my specific vin # car. Over 13 years the only thing that car ever needed was tires, brakes and a few batteries, and that was it! When it reached 13 years old it drove and looked as good as new. I know I was just plain lucky with that one.


Ford/Lincoln, this proves that it can be done if you take your time and concentrate on reliability and quality both in the engineering and manufacturing phases. Unfortunately, it's already become quite apparent that this is not going to happen with the MKC in 2015 or probably 16. I just think they are ok with thinking they are now a "player" but they are not even close to Acura or Lexus. A high level of quality, dependability and top notch professional service are the only virtues that will get a car company compared to those players. Ok, soap box has been removed, I'm done. preaching.
 

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Could not agree more. I spent a lot of time lurking the ClubLexus forums and actually had a down payment on a loaded $60K+ GS350 F-Sport. I ended up pulling back deciding I really wanted and needed an SUV. But ya know what I noticed, or in this case did NOT notice? On the Lexus forums... sure there are folks with quips and problems... but you don't see threads drone on for months and months and months on unresolved problems. I have not experienced it first hand, but there is a reason Lexus continues to be the highest consumer rated luxury brand. All the reviewers and customers alike... they talk about how great the service is. And I suspect the QC coming out of Japan is leaps and bounds above what Ford has been doing prior to completion and delivery.

If Lexus would make a SUV with some real HP and sport to it (and NO the 2016 RX is not going to be the one)... I would jump ship in a heartbeat. They make the GS, the RC and many others... they know how to do fast and fun... why they don't get that there are many SUV segment buyers that want the "Fast and Fun"... instead of the Soccer Mom mobile... I just don't know. Heck just put a turbo or mill on the current RX V6 and it could be a screamer.

Off my soap box as well ;)

Ohh and the beauty of our community?? It brings those of us that ARE picky about all those little things... that truly think they deserve everything in their luxury vehicle to work as advertised as expected. I could not believe over at the MKX forums when I started my thread on things that were wrong with the Adaptive Lighting, missing features, missing menu options... I literally had a guy respond that I was being to picky???? Seriously... F' OFF!!! It gave me great satisfaction to later find the dealer confirmed my suspicions that the **** was not working right and that other forum members tested and found the same thing I did.

I am picky, I notice and analyze the mundane little details. I am very appreciative of cool design choices and cutting edge technology. Again.. the "I buy it to get from point a to point b" people are way different then us. They don't get it... but to me the tech, the adaptive cruise, the lane keeping, blind spot, automatic brights, Sync (infotainment in general) is very important.

When I was test driving the many, many brands... after my 2015 MKC tried to kill me... the sales folks would always have a funny look as they watched me sit outside in the car for like 20 minutes before I even put it in drive and pulled away during the test drive. I would look through every menu, configuration option, pair my phone, test the audio etc.

It started to become kind of funny... I kept all the bluetooth profiles on my phone as a almost a way to remember what all I had driven. ;)

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Rayo, couldn't have said it better! I'm glad that I'm not the only one that notices these "little things". I bring my wife out to confirm what my eyes are seeing and she just doesn't get it...she thinks I'm crazy. Why is it that it's obvious to us that the frosted covers are detrimental to the LED's, hence the overall looks of the front of the car, and Lincolns engineers just don't get it?


I want my car to be perfect and (on a tangent now - sorry) I practically achieved that with a 1999 Acura TL that I had for 13 flawless years. 1999 was that models launch year as well - it was the first time on the market and I got one that was made about 3 months after launch, and it was made in Ohio, not Japan. Acura/Honda is a very good company and this proves that an all new product can be reliable right out the gate. I do not remember any recalls or tsb's, but if there were, they may not have included my specific vin # car. Over 13 years the only thing that car ever needed was tires, brakes and a few batteries, and that was it! When it reached 13 years old it drove and looked as good as new. I know I was just plain lucky with that one.


Ford/Lincoln, this proves that it can be done if you take your time and concentrate on reliability and quality both in the engineering and manufacturing phases. Unfortunately, it's already become quite apparent that this is not going to happen with the MKC in 2015 or probably 16. I just think they are ok with thinking they are now a "player" but they are not even close to Acura or Lexus. A high level of quality, dependability and top notch professional service are the only virtues that will get a car company compared to those players. Ok, soap box has been removed, I'm done. preaching.
 

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I hate to add to the negative of Lincoln and our mkcs because I truly love the car (if it would stop being a nightmare) and really am pulling for it and Lincoln after wanting an Audi, MB, Infiniti....

But man living this and now seeing the serious flubs in the MKX release (which I loved too and definitely "planned" to upgrade very soon but...) I just don't know.

I had a second production year Cadillac SRX fully loaded prior to my MKC. It was not my choice of car, it was actually my husbands car first. I hated when he chose it. I had a baby and previous back problems were ignited and I was driving a 2 door coupe (loaded 6 cyl Honda Accord very nice ride) and husband wanted me in a tank Escalade LOL. Transitioning to the big srx was hard enough. But I ended up growing to love it (don't tell my husband I complained for years) as my son got older and I appreciated the space.

Know what I appreciate from that Cadillac now? That for the 8 years (between us) we owned it, it was TROUBLE FREE. It's just sinking in now after all I've been through with my car. The ride was awesome, interior and seats top notch, the Bose stereo, it was loaded for its time! There were a few early minor recalls that were taken care of with my husband then just usual oil changes, maintenances, brake pads, etc. I have NEVER gotten to know a car dealership so intimately before LOL.

So I don't know what's going on with Lincoln. They are obviously trying but like I mentioned before after sales are falling flat on their faces and if you have customers like me coming from Cadillac, Audi, MB, and the others they are competing with the expectations are already pretty high. And it should be at the prices they're selling these cars. Surprise but people are going to expect the features to work and reasonable fixes and service. They are going to expect the stiching in their expensive leather seats to be the way it should.

Is it more testing? QC? what's going to do it for them? they're obviously spending a lot of money to rebuild but if no one buys another Lincoln after their first (bad) experience they are never going to grow and compete long term...
 

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I've thought this since we acquired the car, that is the LED brightness issue on the signature lighting. I would also say along this theme are the turn signals, license plate lighting, and trunk lighting. There are definitely bits of spit and polish where Lincoln could have done better. I'm not sure that's QC so much as their ability to execute on a fully baked vision. That is I don't think it's an issue so much as a function of a design shortfall. We love our MKC, but these little details are definitely something a certain customer notices. It's also these customers that Lincoln is trying to woo, so they matter.

I think Lincoln/Ford are trying to address this. The dealership experience seems to have gotten some amount of focus (our dealership is undergoing a major renovation this year). Lincoln still needs to push that envelope. I know I've seen a lot of threads on here with issues. I'm not sure what the average experience has been like, but we've done well. Our MKC only had the one, IMO stupid, recall on the start button placement. I have heard a few cutouts on Sirius, but nothing to make me consider the work necessary for the antenna swap fix. Well, and I also don't use it enough to really comment. Satellite radio has such bad variety and compression, but that's a discussion for another thread.

I haven't owned a Lexus, but it seems that new data has Lexus/Toyota quality trending downward and other manufacturers trending up. That is I'm not sure the automotive landscape is as fragmented on quality as it used to be. I know that this year JD Power placed Lincoln third in initial quality (behind Kia and Porsche). The MKX is fourth in the midsize SUV segment in initial quality, but I'm not sure where the MKC falls. It seems the MKZ has helped push Lincoln's quality numbers up a bit though.

We didn't acquire an RX when cross shopping because I didn't like the engine or handling feel. Lexus, I feel, needs a bit of passion infusion in their dynamics. We almost ended up in a diesel Q5, but I have to say I'm pretty glad we dodged that bullet with the VW scandal. I guess time will tell how reliable these are in the long run, but we've been happy.

However, next time Lincoln can you please do some more focus groups who've owned premium vehicles! I guarantee these nitpicks would have been identified.
 

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Rayo you made me go out and look closely again this morning and as we all agree the lighting is so muted! Now that you see the way the MKX's is it really stands out as "sub-par" to me and like Ryan said they could do better..

On Lexus, I have always loved their design too, and a super comfy car to drive. My brother had one of the firsts, but unfortunately with that came a class action lawsuit over the engine burning oil, with a lot of other headaches too. But it was either the first or second year it came out though, that was a fresh design too. Like Rayo said though its tops in its class for a reason but not enough power for me. Plus my husband has this thing about car brands LOL and since it was "attached" to Toyota he said no way.. like I cant get GM or LR...

Hey guys it could be worse, we could have bought a VW (sorry Dk- yours isn't diesel right?)

VW is stealing Lincoln's thunder!
 

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Rayo, your post scared me! I didn't think there were people as anal as I am about cars. When I did my 13 months of test driving all CUV's on the market, I always started by telling the salesman to give me the keys, give me about 15 minutes sitting in the car (where I tried out every switch and button), then we'd be ready to take the test drive. As usual, my wife was embarrassed, but I didn't care because if I'm spending $40-45k, I better be sure I want that car.


Ms Moretti - My VW is definitely gas powered...thank goodness! In some ways I feel a bit ashamed driving around with the VW logo on the car, however the Eos has the most amazing technical hardtop convertible roof I've ever seen...and I test drove all of the competitors 3 1/2 years ago when I made my purchase. Now here's an interesting tidbit - my loaded Eos has all the technology available in 2012, plus the most impressive technological item of all - the hardtop convertible/sunroof, yet I've only had to bring it to the shop once - for the replacement of the leather strap that keeps the seat belt in place. That's it in over 3 years!


So although they screwed up royally on the diesels, the Eos does what it's advertised to do...ahem, unlike some of our MKC's. Although I have nothing but praise for the Eos, it has been discontinued after just 6 short years on the market due to a total lack of marketing and advertising. This remark has been echoed to me by management in multiple VW dealerships in 3 different states....what a shame. But what's impressive to me is that VW was able to engineer a huge sunroof into the design, something that the hard top convertible competitors - Mercedes, Lexus, Volvo, BMW, Cadillac & Infiniti still have not figured out how to do.


A few comments regarding the previous posts...YES, if you promise something, deliver on it, and that's part of Lincolns problems. They sold us the MKC because we could get every technological bell and whistle in a nice looking package at a price thousands less then the competition. But those bells and whistles are supposed to work as intended. The MKX adaptive lighting (or, lack of) is simply unacceptable in a premium car - or really in any car made today.


Now, since I started this thread about the Signature lighting, and we got way off the subject, let me end this by being more positive. I do like my MKC, and my guess is that as we all get through our first couple of years of use and get the items we need fixed, I think we will just love and appreciate our cars. Today I waxed and detailed it and was really blown away by the metallic look resonating from the car. It was if they used about 40% more of the metallic material then was called for. It just looked stunning in the bright sun, so I took it out for a nice ride on this beautiful warm & sunny day, and with the sun roof and all windows open and my favorite music playing, I was amazed at all the looks I (actually - the MKC) received. I could just read in their eyes that they were thinking - "wow, that looks nice,...I've never seen it before - what is it?" And as you all know, that's a satisfying feeling :)


But back to reality and the theme of this post -- you just know that with our luck, the 2017 MKC will feature a small change that's not even mentioned in their marketing materials, and that will be that Lincoln will put the Signature lighting in a clear enclosure and it will look simply magnificent!!!!
 

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But back to reality and the theme of this post -- you just know that with our luck, the 2017 MKC will feature a small change that's not even mentioned in their marketing materials, and that will be that Lincoln will put the Signature lighting in a clear enclosure and it will look simply magnificent!!!!
And they will backlight the Lincoln logo in front that covers the new front camera providing part of the 360 degree view ;)
 
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