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Well, I guess after three weeks, the honeymoon is over. Yesterday, when I got in my car to leave work, I had a check engine light. Just what you want to see after owning a car for three weeks. Then I learned the Lincoln uses a limp home mode, evidently, whenever there's a CEL. Power was cut to the point that when I tried to leave an intersection, I got really high revs, then a slight clunk, as the tranny figured out what was going on. Really, it gave the feeling of a slipping transmission or CVT transmission. So I drove conservatively the rest of the way home. Coincidentally, I got my first rock chip on the trip home! Woot! So, I ran a health report to log what was going on. When I did get home, I plugged up my OBDII reader and got P0012. The generic reading for that is: P0012 - "A" Camshaft Position - Timing Over-Retarded (Bank 1). If you google this, you get everything from something in the engine being broken to the PCM just needing a reflash. I figured since I had logged a vehicle health report, I could clear the code and see if it was a quirk or if it was persistent. Well, so far it hasn't come back and the car drives great now that there's no code. I'm going to call my dealer' service department and SEE if they can tell me if this has been a problem before I have to fool with taking my car in.

A quick search of the forum didn't show this code being an issue. Did I miss something???
 

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Well, it drove today without a hitch. I did stop and top up with premium just in case it was some bad gas or something...
 

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As an update, the code came back yesterday. I took it in this morning. Ford/Lincoln's procedure for this code is to change the oil and see if the code comes back. If so, then change the cam phaser. YAY! I had seen this as a generic troubleshooting procedure for other models of car but wasn't sure on the MKC. The reasoning behind changing the oil as the initial step is the suspicion that trash/debris could be getting into the camshaft phaser and causing it to stick.
 

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Thank you for letting us know and following up, hopefully it's nothing serious, especially after 3 weeks! That's enough to sour an otherwise happy time.
 

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It looks like there is a lot of MKC owners after having their MKC for a short time is having Problems.
My MKC only after 3000 miles has Rattling from the Dash Area and from the Back Seat Area.
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It looks like there is a lot of MKC owners after having their MKC for a short time is having Problems.
My MKC only after 3000 miles has Rattling from the Dash Area and from the Back Seat Area.
Peter
Back seat may be rear seat belt buckle knocking on the sides of seats, I believe a few others had that and realized that was the sound. Does it sound like it could be that?

Dash...I don't know. I honestly have music up pretty loud most of the time so I wouldn't hear it..maybe best for me (not to hear it) with all the other things I'm dealing with, ignorance is bliss in this case LOL.
 

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Hi
It looks like there is a lot of MKC owners after having their MKC for a short time is having Problems.
My MKC only after 3000 miles has Rattling from the Dash Area and from the Back Seat Area.
Peter
I've certainly had a few problems, but at nearly 5K miles, the MKC is the quietest and most rattle-free car I'ver ever owned. Rattles are annoying, and I hope yours can be tracked down and quieted.
 

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Yeah same with me, I enjoy this car so much I hope nothing serious is wrong with it. But if it comes to it, I'll tolerate them cracking open the engine to keep me in it. I didn't even enjoy my Mustang this much. It's so nice to get into this car at the end of the day for the hour commute home. If I want to relax and take it easy, it'll do it. If I need to book it home, flip it into sport mode and take off. I drove a 3.7l MKZ as a loaner while they looked at my car. Nearly the same, but overall the MKC feels better. It's gotta be the turbo 2.3l. Reminds me of my SAAB 9-5.
 

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OK time for an update. When I got my car back from service in November, they told me they changed the oil as that was step one in the shop manual for this code. I can see the reasoning as I've seen other models state this code can be caused by something jamming up the cam phaser/adjuster/whatever. Well, two months went by and no code. Until Friday morning. Again, the car runs fine. And, I know right before I pulled into my drive I was coasting and kinda playing w/ the accelerator pedal, giving it light taps. I almost wonder if that's confusing the ECU somehow when I do that. Or do I do that b/c I notice something out of whack? I don't know. My car almost sometimes feels like it's got a CVT transmission. I feel like it over-revs a lot. Anyone get that?

But, anyway, I dropped it off friday evening and picked up a nice black '16 Navigator. Real dream to drive and making me think about it for my next car. It's what I'd wanted my wife to get but she got a new Yukon XL instead.

Anywho, she said she'd give me a call tomorrow once they looked at it. Yay...
 

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When your check engine light is on, did you happen to notice if your remote start works or not? I have been fighting the check engine light thing for a while now. The car runs fine, but the remote start won't work when it is on. They can't seem to find out why it keeps coming on.
 

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Yep, remote works fine. Car runs fine in general. Not that I'm in ANY hurry to get it back, driving this new Navigator and all. :grin:grin:grin

I didn't hear from them today. Disconcerting. Makes me think they are still trying to figure it out.
 

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Well, a week later and they still haven't returned my car. This is seriously frustrating. On Tuesday or Wednesday the Lincoln service adviser (the only one at the dealer) called me to let me know they "couldn't duplicate the fault" and wanted to change out a solenoid first. She asked if that was ok. I said sure. Now, the dealer also only has one heavy engine mechanic that had originally been the one assigned my car-since the manual had called for the cam phaser in the engine to be replaced. One would think if the solenoid is a less drastic step, they could assign it to someone else.

To make matters worse, my service adviser told me she'd be out Thursday and Friday and someone else would be handling my case. But she still expected the car to be ready by Thursday. So...I call Thursday late since I had expected to get my car on the way home from work. I got an apology and assurance the car would be ready by 3 on Friday.

At 3:30 on Friday, I called again (expecting to have been contacted by that point), and got another apology. Apparently, even though the part had been in for a day or two, the car had not even been touched yet. I got a promise it would be the first one on the rack Monday morning (today).

This is so annoying. I'm tempted now to go back and add on the extended warranty if this car is going to be so problematic. While my Hondas all had issues, I was never overpromised regarding service. If they told me my car would be ready at a certain time, it always was. I don't mind the Navigator loner they gave me in the slightest....But c'mon....give me my car back.
 

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Sorry man , sounds like a serious problem by what they want to do. I hope they get it fixed for you soon.

At least you do have a nice navigator. Last time my car was in I got a filthy loaner car that none of the lights, sunroof, or overhead worked. Had to drive that around....

Stinks not having YOUR car :-(
I hate having loaners. But better than a rental I guess
 

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Thanks. Yep it'll be interesting. It's halfway thru the day and still haven't heard from them.
 

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Got the car back. Runs great...but it did before. Definitely glad to be back in the MKC. Feels like a space ship compared to the Navigator. Sadly, now I have to park it for a couple of days to go out of town.
 

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So I got a cylinder misfire code for cylinder 3 this morning. I used my smartphone to wipe it since i felt it happened when the car started this morning. Hoping I don't see it ever again. Its cold in NYC and was surrounded by snow.
 

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So I got a cylinder misfire code for cylinder 3 this morning. I used my smartphone to wipe it since i felt it happened when the car started this morning. Hoping I don't see it ever again. Its cold in NYC and was surrounded by snow.

Perhaps the exhaust was blocked.
 

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OK.....Update on the update. When I got my MKC back, I thought it was a bit louder than the Navigator. Now, the Navigator was quiet with a V-6 verses a 4 cylinder so I figured I just needed some readjustment to my MKC's noises. Specifically, at low speed, gentle throttle, I hear a little bit of what, at first, I was worried was a rattling chain noise. Now, what I've settled on is it's some kind of intake noise. I mean, I don't think my car sounds like some turbo'd up ricer car or anything, but...it's got a bit of intake noise reminiscent of when I swapped out intakes on my old Civic Si many moons ago. Then I hear a really prominent hiss from the blow off valve on the turbo or something. I'm really wondering if, whenever they reassembled the intake (which they would have had to have removed to get to the valve cover), if they might have removed some sort of resonator and forgotten to reinsert it or something? I first thought maybe a hose was loose somewhere but I would really think that would set off a CEL for an airflow sensor or something of the like.... I guess I really need to listen to someone else's 2.3l to be sure. So frustrating... All I remember from before was a deeper, snarling sound....not all this intake and turbo business.
 

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OK.....Update on the update. When I got my MKC back, I thought it was a bit louder than the Navigator. Now, the Navigator was quiet with a V-6 verses a 4 cylinder so I figured I just needed some readjustment to my MKC's noises. Specifically, at low speed, gentle throttle, I hear a little bit of what, at first, I was worried was a rattling chain noise. Now, what I've settled on is it's some kind of intake noise. I mean, I don't think my car sounds like some turbo'd up ricer car or anything, but...it's got a bit of intake noise reminiscent of when I swapped out intakes on my old Civic Si many moons ago. Then I hear a really prominent hiss from the blow off valve on the turbo or something. I'm really wondering if, whenever they reassembled the intake (which they would have had to have removed to get to the valve cover), if they might have removed some sort of resonator and forgotten to reinsert it or something? I first thought maybe a hose was loose somewhere but I would really think that would set off a CEL for an airflow sensor or something of the like.... I guess I really need to listen to someone else's 2.3l to be sure. So frustrating... All I remember from before was a deeper, snarling sound....not all this intake and turbo business.
I had some work done on my CTS and when I got it back it also had a louder intake noise. Turned out they didn't reassemble the intake duct work correctly. Instead of drawing outside air from a duct into the driver side fender it was drawing in air from the engine compartment - A quick review and readjustment by me fixed it.
 
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